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FB Recruiting 2025 Offensive Lineman Michael Troutman Commits to Penn State

Franklin and his staff’s recruiting continue to go downhill. They will be lucky to make the top 20 this year when recruiting season is over.
 
NITTANYJGK said:
The question is WHY, as in why are we taking these lower rated offensive linemen so early. Do they not feel confident with our highly rated OL targets?
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How many 3 stars early end up 4 and 5 stars by end of their senior year, regardless of position. How many star giving camps has Micheal Troutman even attended. Now there is a ?.
Got an answer for that ? I certainly don't. Any of you out there got the answer to that ?
 
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Well, when you look at the previous OL selections by this staff, you have to wonder how they grade them, especially early offers, eg, Traore, Achumba haven't done a thing, and Effner was a swinging gate. Holmes, Miranda, Thorpe, Martin, Gellerstedt, Jenkins, Gonzalez, Brosnan, Sorrell, and Hartman all ended up in the trash heap IIRC. That's not a good recruiting record for OL.

We are still waiting on Dawkins who is in year 5. He was beaten out by a Cornell transfer; this should not happen if you know how to grade OL before making an offer.
 
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NITTANYJGK said:
The question is WHY, as in why are we taking these lower rated offensive linemen so early. Do they not feel confident with our highly rated OL targets?
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Maybe they know more than you.

Was it a mistake to take a low rated TE who ended up a 5*?

What do you know about any of these players other than their ratings?

Can you explain why their ratings change?


Will it make you happy if psu waits til the recruiting services are done evaluating to give out offers? Psu will then be last to offer and most of the talent will be off the board.
 
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Rip_E_2_Joe_PA said:
How many 3 stars early end up 4 and 5 stars by end of their senior year, regardless of position. How many star giving camps has Micheal Troutman even attended. Now there is a ?.
Got an answer for that ? I certainly don't. Any of you out there got the answer to that ?
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247 currently has six 5*s. They finished last year with 32. Rivals finished with 31. NittanyJGK would complain about signing the other 26.
 
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PSU20 said:
Well, when you look at the previous OL selections by this staff, you have to wonder how they grade them, especially early offers, eg, Traore, Achumba haven't done a thing, and Effner was a swinging gate. Holmes, Miranda, Thorpe, Martin, Gellerstedt, Jenkins, Gonzalez, Brosnan, Sorrell, and Hartman all ended up in the trash heap IIRC. That's not a good recruiting record for OL.

We are still waiting on Dawkins who is in year 5. He was beaten out by a Cornell transfer; this should not happen if you know how to grade OL before making an offer.
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How many of he 20 OL who sign over 5 year cycle at any school do you expect to contribute? How many players on Alabama's or clemsons roster do you think will start?
 
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PSU20 said:
Well, when you look at the previous OL selections by this staff, you have to wonder how they grade them, especially early offers, eg, Traore, Achumba haven't done a thing, and Effner was a swinging gate. Holmes, Miranda, Thorpe, Martin, Gellerstedt, Jenkins, Gonzalez, Brosnan, Sorrell, and Hartman all ended up in the trash heap IIRC. That's not a good recruiting record for OL.

We are still waiting on Dawkins who is in year 5. He was beaten out by a Cornell transfer; this should not happen if you know how to grade OL before making an offer.
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If you are expecting every player at every position that is recruited to be a 3 year starter you must not follow what actually happens in college football. Over half of all players that sign on to play at P5 teams don't end up making significant contributions. You can make a list of players at any position that didn't contribute at PSU. And olinemen are harder to project than most positions. Some say the hardest to project. And since college football is played with 5 olinemen on the field and teams bring in more olinemen than any other position the list of OL players that don't end up making significant contributions is naturally the longest.
 
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You will have to admit that is a extremely high number of OL busts, even after JF touted some of them. JF also touted Meiga 4 years ago and he has barely seen the field. He also said "Irv Charles" was the best WR he ever coached. How did he work out? How are we suppose to keep up with OSU, UM, and now Oregon, USU, etc, with these recruiting blunders? Bottom line, we will not.
 
PSU20 said:
Well, when you look at the previous OL selections by this staff, you have to wonder how they grade them, especially early offers, eg, Traore, Achumba haven't done a thing, and Effner was a swinging gate. Holmes, Miranda, Thorpe, Martin, Gellerstedt, Jenkins, Gonzalez, Brosnan, Sorrell, and Hartman all ended up in the trash heap IIRC. That's not a good recruiting record for OL.

We are still waiting on Dawkins who is in year 5. He was beaten out by a Cornell transfer; this should not happen if you know how to grade OL before making an offer.
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What a dumb post. Franklin did not even sign Hartman. He was a flip during sanctions. At least two of the others were medical retirements. Gonzales was a three year starter, all b10 and signed with NFL.

When a team signs 20 0L every 5 years, do you think they will all start?
 
PSU20 said:
You will have to admit that is a extremely high number of OL busts, even after JF touted some of them. JF also touted Meiga 4 years ago and he has barely seen the field. He also said "Irv Charles" was the best WR he ever coached. How did he work out? How are we suppose to keep up with OSU, UM, and now Oregon, USU, etc, with these recruiting blunders? Bottom line, we will not.
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Will you admit every team has a high number? 100+ players on a roster, 85 scholarships, 125 signed every 5 years, and only 22 starters. How many players start at Clemson or alabama?
 
Bondist said:
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This young man just set his future as athlete /college student . Let’s welcome him
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Good for you. Now you get your merit badge.

Nobody is critical of him. The comment was directed at our staff.
 
Rip_E_2_Joe_PA said:
How many 3 stars early end up 4 and 5 stars by end of their senior year, regardless of position. How many star giving camps has Micheal Troutman even attended. Now there is a ?.
Got an answer for that ? I certainly don't. Any of you out there got the answer to that ?
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Next time I'll clear my posts through you first.
 
Have anyone watched the OSU/UM games the past 5 years. We were manhandled at the LOS. Even in 2016 when we won vs OSU, McSorley ran for his life the entire game. If you are satisfied losing to the two teams year after year, so be it.

I don't know teams that have had that many failures on the OL, notwithstanding career injuries. If you have one team that does, please post.

Gonzalez was a mental error, will admit.

JF touted almost all the players who failed/quit. Maybe you should address you questions to him. And, ask why we keep losing year after year to OSU/UM.
 
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247 currently has six 5*s. They finished last year with 32. Rivals finished with 31. NittanyJGK would complain about signing the other 26.
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What do you know Dorko? Now crawl back into your sewer.
 
Most people on this board say Franklin is a great recruiter he is not, he is average at best and the way this year’s recruiting is going we will end up in the twenties if we are lucky
 
What coach doesn’t speak highly of his players and recruits? I mean, even Nick Saban was touting fourth stringers after the spring game last year.
 
PSU20 said:
Have anyone watched the OSU/UM games the past 5 years. We were manhandled at the LOS. Even in 2016 when we won vs OSU, McSorley ran for his life the entire game. If you are satisfied losing to the two teams year after year, so be it.

I don't know teams that have had that many failures on the OL, notwithstanding career injuries. If you have one team that does, please post.

Gonzalez was a mental error, will admit.

JF touted almost all the players who failed/quit. Maybe you should address you questions to him. And, ask why we keep losing year after year to OSU/UM.
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I don't know teams that have had that many failures on the OL, notwithstanding career injuries. If you have one team that does, please post.
EVERY team has had many failures on the OL and at every other position. As someone noted above, when teams recruit 25 players every year and only 22 play at a time there are players at every position that come and go and don't contribute much or at all ("failures" as you seem to put it). And most teams recruit by position pretty similarly numbers wise and all of them only play 5 olinemen at a time......

JF touted almost all the players who failed/quit.
Every coach touts every player as they are recruited and on signing day. Then as Franklin has said every one of those players is zero star when they start practicing and competes to play with the staff playing the players they believe give the team the best chance to win.

This really isn't that difficult. Like it or not fans of every team have to trust that their coaches evaluate potential recruits and make correct evaluations. If PSU coaches get commits from the players they offer early it seems to reason that they are getting the players they believe are most likely to help the team. But obviously the NIL game has changed things and if teams are not willing to channel big bucks to players that haven't stepped on a college practice field yet those teams are at a big disadvantage compared to teams like TAM that go after the highest profile high school players.
 
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It used to be that when kids made a commitment there were long threads welcoming him.

Why not think that a young man who makes such a commitment would venture to fan boards to see what people are saying? If he has, this one must be quite a disappointment. If you put yourself in his place, what would you be thinking at the "welcome" you received here?
 
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The past "huge number" of OL busts that were touted by JF was mentioned; nothing against this young man. My hopes are that he becomes a first team Big 10 OL and an AA, but we will have to wait and see.
 
19333lion said:
It used to be that when kids made a commitment there were long threads welcoming him.

Why not think that a young man who makes such a commitment would venture to fan boards to see what people are saying? If he has, this one must be quite a disappointment. If you put yourself in his place, what would you be thinking at the "welcome" you received here?
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It’s really a wash if he or most any recruit were to visit any fan boards, because they’re all the same. Unless the kid is a 5* and Nationally ranked number one at his position some people are going to bitch. It’s unfortunate, but if you’re going to play football at this level in today’s environment it would be best to develop thick skin.
 
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PSU20 said:
The past "huge number" of OL busts that were touted by JF was mentioned; nothing against this young man. My hopes are that he becomes a first team Big 10 OL and an AA, but we will have to wait and see.
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You did not wait and see. You think he is a bust.

You are a stargazer pessimist. The 5*s are great until they are not. 3*s are all busts unless they are not.
 
Never even mentioned he is a bust. Only mentioned all the past busts that JF raved about beforehand. Learn to read son!
 
GregInPitt said:
I don't know teams that have had that many failures on the OL, notwithstanding career injuries. If you have one team that does, please post.
EVERY team has had many failures on the OL and at every other position. As someone noted above, when teams recruit 25 players every year and only 22 play at a time there are players at every position that come and go and don't contribute much or at all ("failures" as you seem to put it). And most teams recruit by position pretty similarly numbers wise and all of them only play 5 olinemen at a time......

JF touted almost all the players who failed/quit.
Every coach touts every player as they are recruited and on signing day. Then as Franklin has said every one of those players is zero star when they start practicing and competes to play with the staff playing the players they believe give the team the best chance to win.

This really isn't that difficult. Like it or not fans of every team have to trust that their coaches evaluate potential recruits and make correct evaluations. If PSU coaches get commits from the players they offer early it seems to reason that they are getting the players they believe are most likely to help the team. But obviously the NIL game has changed things and if teams are not willing to channel big bucks to players that haven't stepped on a college practice field yet those teams are at a big disadvantage compared to teams like TAM that go after the highest profile high school players.
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Well said. And then we all can watch Appy State kick all those 5 star defensive linemen recruited by TAM all over the field.
 
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PSU20 said:
You will have to admit that is a extremely high number of OL busts, even after JF touted some of them. JF also touted Meiga 4 years ago and he has barely seen the field. He also said "Irv Charles" was the best WR he ever coached. How did he work out? How are we suppose to keep up with OSU, UM, and now Oregon, USU, etc, with these recruiting blunders? Bottom line, we will not.
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You named a dozen OL "busts" over, what, a 12 year period. That's about a bust per year. That's damn good recruiting.
 
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