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2019 NCAAs -- Session 2 Thread

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Also, we’re better than the New England Patriots and bama combined.

I’m sure shak is aware of the opportunity he lost there for him and his brothers. I expect all guys to be ready to roll tomorrow.

The Patriots dynasty has won maybe 2 or 3 really legit, dominant Super Bowls. They also needed a totally wrong call in 2001 (anyone who says the Tuck Rule game was called correctly is a delusional homer); a terrible kickoff by the Panthers in 03; a questionable play call by Pete Carroll; absolutely inexcusable game management by the Falcons. Even this last year, they were helped by a godawful PI no-call against the Saints in the NFC title game followed by a terrible Rams game plan

Alabama got help from a playoff inclusion or two they might not have deserved, and who knows what a healthy Colt McCoy might have changed in the 2009 title game

PSU has never needed such luck ;)
 
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I really, really need to see the replay too

We've got people here so salty as to compare these officials to an ACTUAL CONVICTED CRIMINAL in the form of Tim Donaghy

I actually agree that the refs should not be reviewing their own calls, but Tim Donaghy comparisons? Seriously? For one match? You guys know PSU is still winning this thing, right?

My fellow PSU fans: for crying out loud, calm down and get me the dang replay!!!

It was close, but, I think the ref got it right. RBY never got control of both legs.
 
It was close, but, I think the ref got it right. RBY never got control of both legs.
You don’t think he had it with left arm through crotch, right arm around waist and AD with both hands on mat? He didn’t hold him there but I see 2.
 
It was close, but, I think the ref got it right. RBY never got control of both legs.

First, the video review feed is different than the ESPN feed. As such, we don't know what the refs saw.

Second, my take from the ESPN feed was that RBY had the single leg, fleetingly. If he had his hands around both legs, or the other hand on the hip, it would likely have been a TD, even though control was not maintained very long.

I'm disappointed that some seem to feel it was so clear-cut. It was not, and the refs took longer than usual looking at the video, so I would presume that they were very closely checking all of the criteria.
 
If that’s true, then someone needs to sit him down and have a real conversation with him...son, “YOU LOST” that match and in doing so didn’t handle defeat well (see Nick Lee last year)...now you’ve cost the “TEAM” a point. That’s not PSU wrestling young man and you’ve been here long enough to know that.

Didn't realize that Lee cost PSU a point last year.
 
The first Desanto takedown was 100% the correct call. He had a merkel locked up and RBY's hands touched. That's two every time, no question. The RBY takedown looked like 2 to me live, but it happened so quick I'll have to rewatch it.
 
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Not sure if anyone has pointed this out, but in every one of the 6 quarterfinals tomorrow for Penn State, the PSU guy has previously beaten his opponent.

In fact, all of those victories occurred earlier this season with the exception of Hall's 6-2 win over Lujan in last year's NCAAs.

Reason to be optimistic that we will send 6 through to the semis?
 
PSWC shows us having 31.5, Trackwrestling and ESPN has us at 32.5, and Flo has us at 33.5 points. What is correct?

I think ESPN. I bet PSWC deducted a point from ESPN’s total which already has the deduction built in. Flo just hasn’t deducted it yet.

This is my source criticism of the situation.
 
We had a point deduction for mat control in the RBY bout.
 
Why do people always want to blame the officials? If you are supposed to win, it shouldn’t matter....
Because sometimes in a closely contested match a poor referee can make a huge difference one way or another. I have never been able why some find that such a difficult thought to grasp. No, you should not have to beat both your opponent and an inept official. Actually the entire idea that you should have too is intellectually weak.
The takedown that wasn't that was given to DeSanto and the takedown that was but even with a do over look see wasn't given to RBY had a huge impact on the outcome of that match.
 
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Not sure if anyone has pointed this out, but in every one of the 6 quarterfinals tomorrow for Penn State, the PSU guy has previously beaten his opponent.

In fact, all of those victories occurred earlier this season with the exception of Hall's 6-2 win over Lujan in last year's NCAAs.

Reason to be optimistic that we will send 6 through to the semis?

I’ll be pretty surprised and disappointed if all 6 don’t advance to the semis.
 
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"Facts all have their points of view. Facts don't do what I want them to" (Talking Heads).

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Wow hotshoe. You never say shit about the football team and go nuts when we say anything negative. Now you hammer this kid. Doesn’t make sense.
Yes, that, and in two session threads half his posts are hawkeye-bait.
Poor effort from @Hotshoe , hope he sleeps on it and does better tomorrow
 
These are the best officials. Pretty sure they arent costing us matches. And don’t be a tool.
He isn't the tool in this conversation. I haven't seen officials cost PSU match(es), but ref #3 did have a direct impact on the RBY DeSanto match that most likely did cost RBY that one particular match.
 
Lee, Nolf and Nickal are wrestling great!

Cassar, Hall and Joseph are wrestling very, very good.
 
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Ryan just let the world know they're the only team to bring all 10 wrestlers and they all made it through to day 2. I guess we might as well just give them the title. It's over fellas.
 
Because sometimes in a closely contested match a poor referee can make a huge difference one way or another. I have never been able why some find that such a difficult thought to grasp. No, you should not have to beat both your opponent and an inept official. Actually the entire idea that you should have too is intellectually weak.
The takedown that wasn't that was given to DeSanto and the takedown that was but even with a do over look see wasn't given to RBY had a huge impact on the outcome of that match.
So the refs spent five mins almost looking at the RBY call on video and it’s the refs fault? Cael can challenge these calls by the refs and he’s done it. So has Brands and any other coach with a brick.... Sorry, but I’m not blaming the refs here.
 
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Sure I get it but it would help if he can try to get to his offense once in a while instead of playing defense all match
Hard to get any offense when you arm is behind your back because your worried about the other guys move. I don’t know how to clear my opponents hands if I don’t have my hands in front of me
 
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Wow hotshoe. You never say shit about the football team and go nuts when we say anything negative. Now you hammer this kid. Doesn’t make sense.
Go nuts? And yes I do critique the football players. Shaq has no excuse for this bout.
 
First, the video review feed is different than the ESPN feed. As such, we don't know what the refs saw.

Second, my take from the ESPN feed was that RBY had the single leg, fleetingly. If he had his hands around both legs, or the other hand on the hip, it would likely have been a TD, even though control was not maintained very long.

I'm disappointed that some seem to feel it was so clear-cut. It was not, and the refs took longer than usual looking at the video, so I would presume that they were very closely checking all of the criteria.
Spot on , not sure I can conclude even if I watched it another 5 times
 
Because sometimes in a closely contested match a poor referee can make a huge difference one way or another. I have never been able why some find that such a difficult thought to grasp. No, you should not have to beat both your opponent and an inept official. Actually the entire idea that you should have too is intellectually weak.
The takedown that wasn't that was given to DeSanto and the takedown that was but even with a do over look see wasn't given to RBY had a huge impact on the outcome of that match.
This is just an ignorance of the rules. DeSanto's first takedown was 100% uncontroversial. There's a reason the coaches didn't argue it or challenge. DeSanto had a merkel (side headlock with an inside leg) with RBY's hands down. That is two every single time, no exceptions.
 
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First, the video review feed is different than the ESPN feed. As such, we don't know what the refs saw.

Second, my take from the ESPN feed was that RBY had the single leg, fleetingly. If he had his hands around both legs, or the other hand on the hip, it would likely have been a TD, even though control was not maintained very long.

I'm disappointed that some seem to feel it was so clear-cut. It was not, and the refs took longer than usual looking at the video, so I would presume that they were very closely checking all of the criteria.

Go back and watch the match and watch what DeSanto does after the collision with the table. He turns, jogs back to the circle and gets in the down position. Forget the referees for a second... I think a wrestler is pretty certain when he has been taken down. There appeared to be no doubt in DeSanto’s mind despite the fact the ref didn’t call for two that he had given up a take down. If AD thought it was two, it’s hard to believe anyone should feel disappointed the fans saw exactly what the wrestlers did. It seems the only ones who didn’t see it were the refs.
 
So, I have run my DVR back and forth on the RBY match several times with both views (mat level and from above) in slow motion and I don't know if it was a takedown or not. But I do know that it was not a clear cut takedown. I simply don't know the rule interpretation well enough to make a call. When Desanto touches the mat, RBY has an arm around his back and has the far leg hooked. But Desanto has a whizzer in. Takedown??? Next, RBY trips Desanto to his butt but only controls one leg and they head out of bounds. Definitely not a takedown there.

I guess it might have been a takedown. But it certainly is arguable.

What is inarguable is that both Cael and Cody were well onto the mat protesting the call. Therefore, one point team deduction.
 
Interesting that Aven -- the heavy that was a late addition -- is wrestling A.J. Nevills in the consolations
 
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Shak pinned McNally in season opener, lets hope he does so again...it will be a good measure of where his head is..
 
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