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Some time ago, I sent the Board of Trustees an E-mail that proved that the entire Board, as constituted in March 2012, not only scapegoated Joe Paterno, but then lied about it. This could conceivably (not legal advice) be cause for a lawsuit by the Paterno Estate against Penn State for the same reasons the estate is suing the NCAA (damage to the commercial value of Joe Paterno's name). It also, of course, exposes every Board holdover from March 2012 as grossly unqualified to be a Trustee of Penn State, or indeed anything else.

The evidence cited was at http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions. Penn State, for whatever reason, took down this page some time this year, and after I sent the E-mail in question. For somebody at the University to delete a "Report of the Board of Trustees" would require the same kind of pure terror that led somebody with an IP address traceable to the Merck Corporation to try to delete a Wikipedia entry about Kenneth Frazier's racist tirade at a public Board meeting in March 2013. Somebody at Penn State is terrified at the implications of what was on this Web page, and with good reason.

However, a Google keyword search uncovered the same material at http://giveto.psu.edu/s/1218/2014/i...id=15638&calpgid=61&pgid=252&ecid=3519&crid=0, which is still online. (I downloaded the entire page in case it also disappears). Here is what the Board (March 2012) told the Penn State community, and the public, about the circumstances of Coach Paterno's dismissal.

"While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police. We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno. …At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach."​

Here, however, is what Keith Masser said in his unwilling deposition in the Corman-NCAA lawsuit. It is hardly surprising that Mr. Masser and his colleagues bent over backward to derail this lawsuit in every way possible.
http://onwardstate.com/2015/01/19/board-chairman-still-thinks-paterno-wasnt-fired/

“The decision to remove Coach Paterno had nothing to do with what he had known, what he hadn’t done. It was based upon the distraction of having him on the sidelines would have caused the university and the current football team harm. It had nothing to do with what Coach Paterno had done, or hadn’t done.”]

Kenneth Frazier's deposition, while not as explicit, also admits that Paterno was fired for public relations purposes. If Paterno was not fired for anything he had or had not done, he was not fired for "failure of leadership." This means the entire Board not only scapegoated Paterno, it also lied about the circumstances of his dismissal to and on behalf of the organization to which it owed a fiduciary duty. This is the kind of character defect that disqualifies a would-be leader from commanding the trust, respect, or confidence of peers, subordinates, and superiors. It is the kind of dishonesty that can result in letters being written to soldiers' families, and/or the loss of costly equipment. The lie told or supported by Kenneth Frazier, Keith Masser, Karen Peetz, Keith Eckel, John Surma, Rodney Erickson (ex officio Board member), Tom Corbett, Anne Riley, Paul Suhey, Joel Myers, Stephanie Deviney, Steve Garban (resigned in July 2012), and their colleagues similarly went beyond denigration of Coach Paterno's memory to incalculable damage to Penn State's reputation.

Every single Trustee who was a party to the March 2012 statement—that's the "tolerate those who do" aspect of the USMA Honor Code—with the sole honorable exception who later repudiated his role in Paterno's dismissal, must therefore be regarded as ethically capable of lying to organizational stakeholders both at and outside of Penn State. In addition, nobody who scapegoats any subordinate, whether that subordinate is the coach of the Nittany Lions or an entry-level worker who pushes a broom, is qualified to supervise even one subordinate let alone a corporation or a University.

The key takeaway, though, is that Penn State deleted the Web page that I cited to demonstrate that the entire Board not only scapegoated Joe Paterno, but then lied about it. This shows that people in Old Main and the Trustee Board Room are terrified of the implications of these two pieces of evidence--the Board's statement of March 2012, and Keith Masser's and Kenneth Frazier's depositions to the effect that Paterno was fired for no reason other than public relations--and that means we need to circulate this evidence as widely as possible.

Here, by the way, is Kenny "people that look like you" Frazier's testimony:

http://av.pasenategop.com/ncaa/discovery/depositions/ken-frazier/transcripts/frazier.pdf


Q. Were you in favor of the decision not to allow Coach Paterno to coach out the rest of the season.

A. Ultimately, I was in favor of that.

Q. Initially, did you have some reservations?

A. I did.

Q. Just explain your thought process and how you became in favor of that decision.

A. Just as I said in the case of Mr. Curly, my initial feeling was, when I first heard about this, that the facts had not been established and we needed to be careful to make sure we understood the facts. As I was in -- in that 48-hour time period read the grand jury presentment, I reached the conclusion that given what had become public about the issues leading up to the presentment and given what was said in the presentment itself about Coach Paterno's testimony and about what the graduate student said to Coach Paterno, I felt that it would not send the right message if Coach Paterno was able to lead the football team out onto the field of play under those circumstances.

So I didn't change my mind on the question of whether we had established all the key facts that related to Coach Paterno's involvement and/or responsibility. But I had reached the conclusion that, from the standpoint of what the University's values would be interpreted to be by the broader public, that what was known was sufficiently serious as it relates to child sexual abuse that it would send the wrong message about our values as a University if Coach Paterno were allowed to coach as though none of this had ever happened.​



GUESS WHAT, KENNY; THAT AIN'T "FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP." FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP IS WHEN THE CEO OF THE MERCK CORPORATION SCAPEGOATS A SUBORDINATE, AND THEN DEFAMES HIM BY LATER SAYING HE WAS FIRED FOR FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP.
 
Thank you Bill...always like have these extraordinary pieces of information refreshed and brought to the front.

Some time ago, I sent the Board of Trustees an E-mail that proved that the entire Board, as constituted in March 2012, not only scapegoated Joe Paterno, but then lied about it. This could conceivably (not legal advice) be cause for a lawsuit by the Paterno Estate against Penn State for the same reasons the estate is suing the NCAA (damage to the commercial value of Joe Paterno's name). It also, of course, exposes every Board holdover from March 2012 as grossly unqualified to be a Trustee of Penn State, or indeed anything else........
 
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Penn State didn't just take down that page. It took down the entire Progress website. You can still find it cached at the wayback machine, though. https://web.archive.org/web/20150330185825/http://progress.psu.edu/

I visited this page but there is no way to get to http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions from there. I could not find http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions at archive.org either when I tried a while ago.

The problem may be in Firefox, in which trying to select an Archive.org year takes me to the defunct Penn State web site instead. https://web.archive.org/web/2013021...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions works in Internet Explorer, though.
 
I visited this page but there is no way to get to http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions from there. I could not find http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions at archive.org either when I tried a while ago.

The problem may be in Firefox, in which trying to select an Archive.org year takes me to the defunct Penn State web site instead. https://web.archive.org/web/2013021...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions works in Internet Explorer, though.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015033...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions
 
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All of these depos and statements need to be added to all of the wiki pages for PSU, the board, individual board members, Paterno, and anyone/anything else they are relevant for. Even your letter and how they suddenly took down their website are relevant. Heck, add it to the wiki pages of the places where the bot members work too.
 
All of these depos and statements need to be added to all of the wiki pages for PSU, the board, individual board members, Paterno, and anyone/anything else they are relevant for. Even your letter and how they suddenly took down their website are relevant. Heck, add it to the wiki pages of the places where the bot members work too.

Somebody at Merck actually tried to remove this material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Frazier

Frazier was criticized by attorney William Cluck and other Penn State alumni for his role in the Penn State Board of Trustees' handling of the Jerry Sandusky scandal, particularly its decision to fire head football coach Joe Paterno.[15] Frazier responded to Mr. Cluck with a racially-laced tirade, saying to the light-skinned Mr. Cluck, "If you cared about that, you are one of the few people in this country that looks like you who actually believes the O.J. Simpson not guilty verdict was correct."[16] Mr. Frazier issued a minimal apology shortly after the event and then, with the benefit of counsel from Merck, a more thorough apology, for the inappropriate outburst.[17]
 
Somebody at Merck actually tried to remove this material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Frazier

Frazier was criticized by attorney William Cluck and other Penn State alumni for his role in the Penn State Board of Trustees' handling of the Jerry Sandusky scandal, particularly its decision to fire head football coach Joe Paterno.[15] Frazier responded to Mr. Cluck with a racially-laced tirade, saying to the light-skinned Mr. Cluck, "If you cared about that, you are one of the few people in this country that looks like you who actually believes the O.J. Simpson not guilty verdict was correct."[16] Mr. Frazier issued a minimal apology shortly after the event and then, with the benefit of counsel from Merck, a more thorough apology, for the inappropriate outburst.[17]


I'll still toss down this challenge....I'll fistfight or arm wrestle any BoT clown for a hundred bucks. If I lose the arm wrestling, they still have to fist fight me. I'll kick the hundred up front. If it goes during the arm wrestling, oh well. But I still want fist fighting, which these turds will lose. I don't expect the hundred back because these are turds. Keep it for the opportunity to punch one or more of you clowns out. All comers welcome.

How about it Jimmy?
 
If they think they can stop their own humiliation by removing a website, they are sadly mistaken. We are just beginning.

They think these little bandaids can stop the bleeding on huge wounds. They still just don't get it.
 
Somebody at Merck actually tried to remove this material: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Frazier

Frazier was criticized by attorney William Cluck and other Penn State alumni for his role in the Penn State Board of Trustees' handling of the Jerry Sandusky scandal, particularly its decision to fire head football coach Joe Paterno.[15] Frazier responded to Mr. Cluck with a racially-laced tirade, saying to the light-skinned Mr. Cluck, "If you cared about that, you are one of the few people in this country that looks like you who actually believes the O.J. Simpson not guilty verdict was correct."[16] Mr. Frazier issued a minimal apology shortly after the event and then, with the benefit of counsel from Merck, a more thorough apology, for the inappropriate outburst.[17]

I think all of the yes votes on the bot also need their own wiki pages.
 
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I visited this page but there is no way to get to http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions from there. I could not find http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions at archive.org either when I tried a while ago.

The problem may be in Firefox, in which trying to select an Archive.org year takes me to the defunct Penn State web site instead. https://web.archive.org/web/2013021...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions works in Internet Explorer, though.
http://news.psu.edu/story/150954/2012/03/12/report-board-trustees-concerning-nov-9-decisions

Actually, you just made a mistake in copy/pasting the address Bill. You had an extra period after November.

Conspiracy solved.
 
http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions doesn't work.
Archive.org seems to work properly in Internet Explorer but not Firefox.
I'll give you this, it does appear that the information had moved. But web assets on large sites get shifted around all the time.

That being said, a simple Google search on a snippet of the posted text takes you straight to the new location.

It's nothing more than just routine housekeeping.
 
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That link works just fine. Thanks for giving us a factual update.

http://news.psu.edu/story/150954/2012/03/12/report-board-trustees-concerning-nov-9-decisions does work. The link I shared with the BOT, http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions does not. I know they posted this material in more than one place. The fact that they deleted the page whose link I sent them to prove that the BOT lied is what caught my attention.
 
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The fact that they deleted the page...
Again, the fact is that they deleted nothing.

Think of it more along the lines of your wife rearranging the furniture and the kitchen cabinets while you're at work.

Just because you won't be able to find the bottle opener for the next 3 weeks doesn't mean she threw it away.
 
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Again, the fact is that they deleted nothing.

Think of it more along the lines of your wife rearranging the furniture and the kitchen cabinets while you're at work.

Just because you won't be able to find the bottle opener for the next 3 weeks doesn't mean she threw it away.


They did. Then posted a sanitized version.
 
Nope. Bill posted what he thought was the most damning part of the thing and it still reads that way word for word.

You'll have to find another tree to bark up, Pnny.


It was deleted. Then a cleaner version put up. Why don't you stay at PennLive, Shuttlesworth?
 
Again, the fact is that they deleted nothing.

That's not true. They have completely eliminated the old "Progress" website and it looks like some of the information has not been moved elsewhere- at least not to any obvious location. For example, the running tally of the cost of the university's bungled handling of the Sandusky mess is gone.
 
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That's not true. They have completely eliminated the old "Progress" website and it looks like some of the information has not been moved elsewhere- at least not to any obvious location. For example, the running tally of the cost of the university's bungled handling of the Sandusky mess is gone.
I'm talking about that specific page. They just moved it.

As far the information you're looking for, apparently it's coming.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/article_9642b800-e309-11e4-aa78-af49e0cd3f39.html
Weblinks don't live forever folks.
 
I'm talking about that specific page. They just moved it.

As far the information you're looking for, apparently it's coming.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/campus/article_9642b800-e309-11e4-aa78-af49e0cd3f39.html
Weblinks don't live forever folks.

When a website that contains an archive of useful information is shutd own, there is normally an explanatory page left at that website and then a redirect to the new site.

Penn State did not handle this in a way that reflects their vow to improve "transparency." But that's hardly a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

As of now, the "cost of the scandal" page is a 404.
 
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When a website that contains an archive of useful information is shutd own, there is normally an explanatory page left at that website and then a redirect to the new site.

Penn State did not handle this in a way that reflects their vow to improve "transparency." But that's hardly a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

As of now, the "cost of the scandal" page is a 404.

**shrugs** Until the numbers are in, I can tell you at the very least "the cost of the scandal" isn't going down.

Hope that helps.
 
When a website that contains an archive of useful information is shutd own, there is normally an explanatory page left at that website and then a redirect to the new site.

Penn State did not handle this in a way that reflects their vow to improve "transparency." But that's hardly a surprise to anyone who has been paying attention.

As of now, the "cost of the scandal" page is a 404.


Ao, you're trying to argue with an idiot who sits on Penn Live all day long making up lies and nonsense about the Paternos and Penn State under a variety of names. Used to be known as Judas Shuttlesworth.
 
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it appears progress.psu.edu redirects to publicaccess.psu.edu

I think what is being overlooked by the pennlive trolls is that while data is sometimes migrated, Aoshiro is exactly correct in that a notification is the SOP to notify web users that the information has been moved, and they are being redirected to a new website.

Also seems IIRC the purpose of the "progress" website was to be open and transparent about what the BoT was doing in the wake of the Sandusky scandal. the "public access" site contains a slew of information beyond that specific purpose.
 
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it appears progress.psu.edu redirects to publicaccess.psu.edu

I think what is being overlooked by the pennlive trolls is that while data is sometimes migrated, Aoshiro is exactly correct in that a notification is the SOP to notify web users that the information has been moved, and they are being redirected to a new website.

Also seems IIRC the purpose of the "progress" website was to be open and transparent about what the BoT was doing in the wake of the Sandusky scandal. the "public access" site contains a slew of information beyond that specific purpose.
The you should advise them on what their SOPs should be and let them know exactly where you feel some improvements need to be made. They can be reached at itsweb@psu.edu .

Just tell them you're an alumnus and I'm sure they'll get right on it.
 
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"Ao, you're trying to argue with an idiot who sits on Penn Live all day long making up lies and nonsense about the Paternos and Penn State under a variety of names. Used to be known as Judas Shuttlesworth."

wasn't he the guy that took over as the AD right after they threw Curley under the bus.
 
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Ao, you're trying to argue with an idiot who sits on Penn Live all day long making up lies and nonsense about the Paternos and Penn State under a variety of names. Used to be known as Judas Shuttlesworth.

Well, to be fair....we are corresponding with someone who also makes things up under a variety of names.
 
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Some time ago, I sent the Board of Trustees an E-mail that proved that the entire Board, as constituted in March 2012, not only scapegoated Joe Paterno, but then lied about it. This could conceivably (not legal advice) be cause for a lawsuit by the Paterno Estate against Penn State for the same reasons the estate is suing the NCAA (damage to the commercial value of Joe Paterno's name). It also, of course, exposes every Board holdover from March 2012 as grossly unqualified to be a Trustee of Penn State, or indeed anything else.

The evidence cited was at http://progress.psu.edu/resource-li...board-of-trustees-concerning-nov.-9-decisions. Penn State, for whatever reason, took down this page some time this year, and after I sent the E-mail in question. For somebody at the University to delete a "Report of the Board of Trustees" would require the same kind of pure terror that led somebody with an IP address traceable to the Merck Corporation to try to delete a Wikipedia entry about Kenneth Frazier's racist tirade at a public Board meeting in March 2013. Somebody at Penn State is terrified at the implications of what was on this Web page, and with good reason.

However, a Google keyword search uncovered the same material at http://giveto.psu.edu/s/1218/2014/i...id=15638&calpgid=61&pgid=252&ecid=3519&crid=0, which is still online. (I downloaded the entire page in case it also disappears). Here is what the Board (March 2012) told the Penn State community, and the public, about the circumstances of Coach Paterno's dismissal.

"While Coach Paterno did his legal duty by reporting that information the next day, Sunday, March 3, to his immediate superior, the then Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, the Board reasonably inferred that he did not call police. We determined that his decision to do his minimum legal duty and not to do more to follow up constituted a failure of leadership by Coach Paterno. …At about 9 pm, we unanimously made the difficult decision that Coach Paterno’s failure of leadership required his removal as football coach."​

Here, however, is what Keith Masser said in his unwilling deposition in the Corman-NCAA lawsuit. It is hardly surprising that Mr. Masser and his colleagues bent over backward to derail this lawsuit in every way possible.
http://onwardstate.com/2015/01/19/board-chairman-still-thinks-paterno-wasnt-fired/

“The decision to remove Coach Paterno had nothing to do with what he had known, what he hadn’t done. It was based upon the distraction of having him on the sidelines would have caused the university and the current football team harm. It had nothing to do with what Coach Paterno had done, or hadn’t done.”]

Kenneth Frazier's deposition, while not as explicit, also admits that Paterno was fired for public relations purposes. If Paterno was not fired for anything he had or had not done, he was not fired for "failure of leadership." This means the entire Board not only scapegoated Paterno, it also lied about the circumstances of his dismissal to and on behalf of the organization to which it owed a fiduciary duty. This is the kind of character defect that disqualifies a would-be leader from commanding the trust, respect, or confidence of peers, subordinates, and superiors. It is the kind of dishonesty that can result in letters being written to soldiers' families, and/or the loss of costly equipment. The lie told or supported by Kenneth Frazier, Keith Masser, Karen Peetz, Keith Eckel, John Surma, Rodney Erickson (ex officio Board member), Tom Corbett, Anne Riley, Paul Suhey, Joel Myers, Stephanie Deviney, Steve Garban (resigned in July 2012), and their colleagues similarly went beyond denigration of Coach Paterno's memory to incalculable damage to Penn State's reputation.

Every single Trustee who was a party to the March 2012 statement—that's the "tolerate those who do" aspect of the USMA Honor Code—with the sole honorable exception who later repudiated his role in Paterno's dismissal, must therefore be regarded as ethically capable of lying to organizational stakeholders both at and outside of Penn State. In addition, nobody who scapegoats any subordinate, whether that subordinate is the coach of the Nittany Lions or an entry-level worker who pushes a broom, is qualified to supervise even one subordinate let alone a corporation or a University.

The key takeaway, though, is that Penn State deleted the Web page that I cited to demonstrate that the entire Board not only scapegoated Joe Paterno, but then lied about it. This shows that people in Old Main and the Trustee Board Room are terrified of the implications of these two pieces of evidence--the Board's statement of March 2012, and Keith Masser's and Kenneth Frazier's depositions to the effect that Paterno was fired for no reason other than public relations--and that means we need to circulate this evidence as widely as possible.

Here, by the way, is Kenny "people that look like you" Frazier's testimony:

http://av.pasenategop.com/ncaa/discovery/depositions/ken-frazier/transcripts/frazier.pdf


Q. Were you in favor of the decision not to allow Coach Paterno to coach out the rest of the season.

A. Ultimately, I was in favor of that.

Q. Initially, did you have some reservations?

A. I did.

Q. Just explain your thought process and how you became in favor of that decision.

A. Just as I said in the case of Mr. Curly, my initial feeling was, when I first heard about this, that the facts had not been established and we needed to be careful to make sure we understood the facts. As I was in -- in that 48-hour time period read the grand jury presentment, I reached the conclusion that given what had become public about the issues leading up to the presentment and given what was said in the presentment itself about Coach Paterno's testimony and about what the graduate student said to Coach Paterno, I felt that it would not send the right message if Coach Paterno was able to lead the football team out onto the field of play under those circumstances.

So I didn't change my mind on the question of whether we had established all the key facts that related to Coach Paterno's involvement and/or responsibility. But I had reached the conclusion that, from the standpoint of what the University's values would be interpreted to be by the broader public, that what was known was sufficiently serious as it relates to child sexual abuse that it would send the wrong message about our values as a University if Coach Paterno were allowed to coach as though none of this had ever happened.​



GUESS WHAT, KENNY; THAT AIN'T "FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP." FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP IS WHEN THE CEO OF THE MERCK CORPORATION SCAPEGOATS A SUBORDINATE, AND THEN DEFAMES HIM BY LATER SAYING HE WAS FIRED FOR FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP.
This is no revelation. I knew societal pressure would prevent the University to allow Joe to continue to coach. The BOT has made some bad choices (freeh) but Joe was not going to survive either way. They certainly had to give a reason and just saying it will look bad would not suffice. Their reason in the statement mirrored exactly how the situation was being perceived around the country.
Well done, Barry. Great stuff.

They fired Joe because they felt he was a distraction? Yeah, that makes sense. Assholes.
They fired Joe exactly for that reason. The societal pressure was to great for this University or any for that matter to withstand. I know that is not what people want to hear but that is easy common sense. It may not have been the just thing to do to coach Paterno but people are kidding themselves if they think there was another option for this bunch. I was out when the news of the firing came. My son called me saying many of the things about Joe's innocence that have been said here. He was very upset and I told him it's OK and there was just no way the University could let him take the field. It would have forever etched the University fair or unfair as not caring about kids. If you think the criticism of Penn St. only caring about football was intense then, imagine what it would have been like had Joe Been on the sideline. If you want to call this guy a liar that's fine but Joe would have never survived either way.
 
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He was very upset and I told him it's OK and there was just no way the University could let him take the field. It would have forever etched the University fair or unfair as not caring about kids. If you think the criticism of Penn St. only caring about football was intense then, imagine what it would have been like had Joe Been on the sideline. If you want to call this guy a liar that's fine but Joe would have never survived either way.

We are not idiots. Joe's firing was not about Joe not taking the field for the remaining games. There are any number of ways that could have been avoided if that's truly what the board thought the issue was. THE BOARD NEVER EVEN SPOKE TO PATERNO.

Joe's firing was about publicly humiliating Joe.

And everything that the board subsequently did (hiring Freeh to do a hatchet job) only magnified the damage to both Paterno and Penn State. They were NOT acting in the university's interests. They were acting in their own personal interests.
 
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