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Ya, I’m curious how we could potentially fit all these guys in our lineup. So here goes…

2024

125: Howard - rSO
133: Cannon - rJR
141: Bartlett - JR
149: SVN - rSO
157: Levi - SO
165: Facundo - rSO
174: Starocci - rJR
184: Truax - rSR
197: Brooks - SR
HWT: Kerkvliet - rJR

Mesenbrink (Olympic RS), Davis/Kasak/Barr (greyshirt)

2025

125: Howard - rJR
133: Cannon - rSR
141: Bartlett - SR
149: SVN - rJR
157: Levi - JR
165: Mesenbrink- rFR
174: Facundo - rJR
184: Starocci - rSR
197:
HWT: Kerkvliet - rSR

Davis/Kasak/Barr & Lilledahl/Mirasolas (redshirt)
Sealy/Ryder (greyshirt)

2026

125: Howard - rSR or Lilledahl - rFR
133: Davis - rFR
141: Kasak - rFR
149: SVN - rSR
157: Levi - SR
165: Mesenbrink- rSO
174: Barr - rFR
184: Facundo - rSR
197: Mirasola - rFR
HWT: Mirasola - rFR

Sealy/Ryder & Perry (redshirt)

2027

125: Lilledahl - rSO
133: Davis - rSO
141: Perry - rFR
149: Kasak - rSO
157: Sealy - rFR
165: Mesenbrink- rJR
174: Barr - rSO
184: Ryder - rFR
197: Mirasola - rSO
HWT: Mirasola - rSO

Its possible 😁
 
Joe Sealy is projected to be a 65-74 in college. He’s at 160 as a jr in high school I believe. So getting to 157 would be difficult.
 
Ja1339 said:
Joe Sealy is projected to be a 65-74 in college. He’s at 160 as a jr in high school I believe. So getting to 157 would be difficult.
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I agree. It’s way more likely a guy or 2 doesn’t end up here/transfers out. It will be an interesting next few seasons.
 
mjmirv said:
Ya, I’m curious how we could potentially fit all these guys in our lineup. So here goes…

2024

125: Howard - rSO
133: Cannon - rJR
141: Bartlett - JR
149: SVN - rSO
157: Levi - SO
165: Facundo - rSO
174: Starocci - rJR
184: Truax - rSR
197: Brooks - SR
HWT: Kerkvliet - rJR

Mesenbrink (Olympic RS), Davis/Kasak/Barr (greyshirt)

2025

125: Howard - rJR
133: Cannon - rSR
141: Bartlett - SR
149: SVN - rJR
157: Levi - JR
165: Mesenbrink- rFR
174: Facundo - rJR
184: Starocci - rSR
197:
HWT: Kerkvliet - rSR

Davis/Kasak/Barr & Lilledahl/Mirasolas (redshirt)
Sealy/Ryder (greyshirt)

2026

125: Howard - rSR or Lilledahl - rFR
133: Davis - rFR
141: Kasak - rFR
149: SVN - rSR
157: Levi - SR
165: Mesenbrink- rSO
174: Barr - rFR
184: Facundo - rSR
197: Mirasola - rFR
HWT: Mirasola - rFR

Sealy/Ryder & Perry (redshirt)

2027

125: Lilledahl - rSO
133: Davis - rSO
141: Perry - rFR
149: Kasak - rSO
157: Sealy - rFR
165: Mesenbrink- rJR
174: Barr - rSO
184: Ryder - rFR
197: Mirasola - rSO
HWT: Mirasola - rSO

Its possible 😁
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Hmmm. A totally Gibsonless future. Maybe those are the brothers my crystal ball was ....????
 
mjmirv said:
Ya, I’m curious how we could potentially fit all these guys in our lineup. So here goes…

2024

125: Howard - rSO
133: Cannon - rJR
141: Bartlett - JR
149: SVN - rSO
157: Levi - SO
165: Facundo - rSO
174: Starocci - rJR
184: Truax - rSR
197: Brooks - SR
HWT: Kerkvliet - rJR

Mesenbrink (Olympic RS), Davis/Kasak/Barr (greyshirt)

2025

125: Howard - rJR
133: Cannon - rSR
141: Bartlett - SR
149: SVN - rJR
157: Levi - JR
165: Mesenbrink- rFR
174: Facundo - rJR
184: Starocci - rSR
197:
HWT: Kerkvliet - rSR

Davis/Kasak/Barr & Lilledahl/Mirasolas (redshirt)
Sealy/Ryder (greyshirt)

2026

125: Howard - rSR or Lilledahl - rFR
133: Davis - rFR
141: Kasak - rFR
149: SVN - rSR
157: Levi - SR
165: Mesenbrink- rSO
174: Barr - rFR
184: Facundo - rSR
197: Mirasola - rFR
HWT: Mirasola - rFR

Sealy/Ryder & Perry (redshirt)

2027

125: Lilledahl - rSO
133: Davis - rSO
141: Perry - rFR
149: Kasak - rSO
157: Sealy - rFR
165: Mesenbrink- rJR
174: Barr - rSO
184: Ryder - rFR
197: Mirasola - rSO
HWT: Mirasola - rSO

Its possible 😁
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i think we've seen the last of cs's college wrestling. don't think a 4th/5th title are his priorities any longer. free style worlds, 2024 olympics, then mma.
 
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I’d love to see a view of future lineups without grey shirts - which feel like an easy way out of some lineup congestion. I certainly might be wrong, but do elite level recruits want to spend 6 years wrestling in college when MMA, Olympics, other opportunities are out there? Is it still popular?
 
Now fit Knox, Bassett, Forrest, and Raj in… unfortunately injuries will determine a lot as will some kids just not getting better but the level of competition will be unbelievable. Any reason to believe that the same number of championships won’t happen over the next 13 yrs?
 
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mjmirv said:
It’s way more likely a guy or 2 doesn’t end up here/transfers out.
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In the Cael era, how many subsequent NCAA qualifiers have we seen after they transferred out, who were purportedly recruited over or otherwise lost their preferred weights starting spot in the lineup?

List synthesized to date::​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • **
  • Garrett Hammond***
  • ****
  • Jarod Verkleeren
  • Michael Beard
  • *****
How many of these were All-American finishers, who placed higher than PSU's starter?

Again, synthesized to date:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • *****
* Not recruited by Cael & Co.
** Acknowledging Cody Law who was an eventual DII Champion
*** Replaced at one weight and qualified at another
**** Acknowledging Jordan Pagano and Kellan Stout although they never saw PSU starting lineup, so they couldn't lose the spot.
***** Acknowledging but not including Nick Suriano, since not 'recruited over'

I think PSU will be just fine. Cael & Co have a system, they are honest with the recruits, and they maintain the integrity of system's core--even as they continually seek improvements. Like they always preach, it's about consistency and gratitude.
 
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98lberEating2Lunches said:
In the Cael era, how many subsequent NCAA qualifiers have we seen after they transferred out?

Off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • Jarod Verkleeren
  • Michael Beard
How many of these were All-American finishers, who placed higher than PSU's starter?

Again, off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
* Not recruited by Cael & Co.

I think PSU will be just fine. Cael & Co have a system, they are honest with the recruits, and they maintain the integrity of system's core--even as they continually seek to improvements. Like they always preach, it's about consistency and gratitude.
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Teske this year.
 
98lberEating2Lunches said:
In the Cael era, how many subsequent NCAA qualifiers have we seen after they transferred out?

Off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • Jarod Verkleeren
  • Michael Beard
How many of these were All-American finishers, who placed higher than PSU's starter?

Again, off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
* Not recruited by Cael & Co.

I think PSU will be just fine. Cael & Co have a system, they are honest with the recruits, and they maintain the integrity of system's core--even as they continually seek to improvements. Like they always preach, it's about consistency and gratitude.
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Suriano
 
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SCub said:
I’d love to see a view of future lineups without grey shirts -
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It’s definitely more crowded without greyshirts…

2024

125: Howard - rSO
133: Cannon - rJR
141: Bartlett - JR
149: SVN - rSO
157: Levi - SO
165: Facundo - rSO
174: Starocci - rJR
184: Truax - rSR
197: Brooks - SR
HWT: Kerkvliet - rJR

Mesenbrink (Olympic RS), Davis/Kasak/Barr (redshirt)

2025

125: Howard - rJR
133: Cannon - rSR, Davis - rFR
141: Bartlett - SR, Kasak rFR
149: SVN - rJR
157: Levi - JR
165: Mesenbrink- rFR
174: Facundo - rJR, Barr - rFR
184: Starocci - rSR
197:
HWT: Kerkvliet - rSR

Lilledahl/Mirasolas/ Sealy/Ryder (redshirt)

2026

125: Howard - rSR or Lilledahl - rFR
133: Davis - rSO
141: Kasak - rSO
149: SVN - rSR
157: Levi - SR, Sealy - rFR
165: Mesenbrink- rSO
174: Barr - rSO
184: Facundo - rSR, Ryder - rFR
197: Mirasola - rFR
HWT: Mirasola - rFR

Perry (redshirt)

2027

125: Lilledahl - rSO
133: Davis - rJR
141: Perry - rFR
149: Kasak - rJR
157: Sealy - rSO
165: Mesenbrink- rJR
174: Barr - rJR
184: Ryder - rSO
197: Mirasola - rSO
HWT: Mirasola - rSO
 
mjmirv said:
It’s definitely more crowded without greyshirts…

2024

125: Howard - rSO
133: Cannon - rJR
141: Bartlett - JR
149: SVN - rSO
157: Levi - SO
165: Facundo - rSO
174: Starocci - rJR
184: Truax - rSR
197: Brooks - SR
HWT: Kerkvliet - rJR

Mesenbrink (Olympic RS), Davis/Kasak/Barr (redshirt)

2025

125: Howard - rJR
133: Cannon - rSR, Davis - rFR
141: Bartlett - SR, Kasak rFR
149: SVN - rJR
157: Levi - JR
165: Mesenbrink- rFR
174: Facundo - rJR, Barr - rFR
184: Starocci - rSR
197:
HWT: Kerkvliet - rSR

Lilledahl/Mirasolas/ Sealy/Ryder (redshirt)

2026

125: Howard - rSR or Lilledahl - rFR
133: Davis - rSO
141: Kasak - rSO
149: SVN - rSR
157: Levi - SR, Sealy - rFR
165: Mesenbrink- rSO
174: Barr - rSO
184: Facundo - rSR, Ryder - rFR
197: Mirasola - rFR
HWT: Mirasola - rFR

Perry (redshirt)

2027

125: Lilledahl - rSO
133: Davis - rJR
141: Perry - rFR
149: Kasak - rJR
157: Sealy - rSO
165: Mesenbrink- rJR
174: Barr - rJR
184: Ryder - rSO
197: Mirasola - rSO
HWT: Mirasola - rSO
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I hope I’m wrong but I be surprised to see C* and Kirk take their full eligibility. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
Foreverinbluejeans57 said:
I think if anyone redshirts next year it should be Levi. He’s very young; give him a redshirt to get to 65 then unleash him
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I'm opposite that thinking. I wrestle Levi this year especially if it looks like he can't make 157 the following year and Mitchell can. Then Resdshirt Levi the following season and Mitchell goes 157. Also this way, Facundo gets two more years at 65 which to me is a good thing. The following year Facundo bumps up to 174 and competes with whoever may be there (Sealey??).
 
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GogglesPaizano said:
Hmmm. A totally Gibsonless future. Maybe those are the brothers my crystal ball was ....????
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Who would have thought. I think the smaller one has a good chance of beating Perry or Davis. Didn’t Jax just tf Perry. The older might be hitting the portal before he gets his first psu shirt.
 
BrockBronson said:
Who would have thought. I think the smaller one has a good chance of beating Perry or Davis. Didn’t Jax just tf Perry. The older might be hitting the portal before he gets his first psu shir
BrockBronson said:
Who would have thought. I think the smaller one has a good chance of beating Perry or Davis. Didn’t Jax just tf Perry. The older might be hitting the portal before he gets his first psu shirt.
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short arms are not good for wrestlers!
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I think timing just was not right transition wise with Cael and Bubba. I think in a different timing, Bubba and Cael absolutely could have worked out. In the Onward State article, Bubba admitted he was immature and had a few shortcomings that he understands Cael wouldn't be happy about (Vallimont mentioned there were times he just misses lifts and show up late to practice and mess around) The incident inspired him to work to new levels and we saw how could he could have been.

But just coming in and trying to bring his guys and also balance scholarships, Cael had to send a message and as Pearsall said, commit or leave and it doesn't matter how good you were. Bubba was one of many that left.
 
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Foreverinbluejeans57 said:
I think if anyone redshirts next year it should be Levi. He’s very young; give him a redshirt to get to 65 then unleash him
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We dont need someone too “get too 165”
Im against redshirting a National finalist and heavy favorite too win it all. Redshirt one of the guys who cant win the spot over him. I dont see Mess beating him again.
 
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I hope I’m wrong but I be surprised to see C* and Kirk take their full eligibility. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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I honestly believe that cstar is done. Something tells me that's what messinbrink is for Facundo moving up and everything works itself out for when sealy arrives
 
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mjmirv said:
It’s definitely more crowded without greyshirts…

2024

125: Howard - rSO
133: Cannon - rJR
141: Bartlett - JR
149: SVN - rSO
157: Levi - SO
165: Facundo - rSO
174: Starocci - rJR
184: Truax - rSR
197: Brooks - SR
HWT: Kerkvliet - rJR

Mesenbrink (Olympic RS), Davis/Kasak/Barr (redshirt)

2025

125: Howard - rJR
133: Cannon - rSR, Davis - rFR
141: Bartlett - SR, Kasak rFR
149: SVN - rJR
157: Levi - JR
165: Mesenbrink- rFR
174: Facundo - rJR, Barr - rFR
184: Starocci - rSR
197:
HWT: Kerkvliet - rSR

Lilledahl/Mirasolas/ Sealy/Ryder (redshirt)

2026

125: Howard - rSR or Lilledahl - rFR
133: Davis - rSO
141: Kasak - rSO
149: SVN - rSR
157: Levi - SR, Sealy - rFR
165: Mesenbrink- rSO
174: Barr - rSO
184: Facundo - rSR, Ryder - rFR
197: Mirasola - rFR
HWT: Mirasola - rFR

Perry (redshirt)

2027

125: Lilledahl - rSO
133: Davis - rJR
141: Perry - rFR
149: Kasak - rJR
157: Sealy - rSO
165: Mesenbrink- rJR
174: Barr - rJR
184: Ryder - rSO
197: Mirasola - rSO
HWT: Mirasola - rSO
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Bartlet is a junior this year? That's crazy
 
98lberEating2Lunches said:
In the Cael era, how many subsequent NCAA qualifiers have we seen after they transferred out, who were purportedly recruited over or otherwise lost their preferred weights starting spot in the lineup?

Off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • Jarod Verkleeren
  • Michael Beard
  • **
How many of these were All-American finishers, who placed higher than PSU's starter?

Again, off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • **
* Not recruited by Cael & Co.
** Acknowledging but not including Nick Suriano.

I think PSU will be just fine. Cael & Co have a system, they are honest with the recruits, and they maintain the integrity of system's core--even as they continually seek to improvements. Like they always preach, it's about consistency and gratitude.
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I like your point and agree with it. I think you can add Garrett Hammond.
 
mcpat said:
I like your point and agree with it. I think you can add Garrett Hammond.
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Do I have the following right? (a bit of a brain teaser)

2014-15 Garrett Hammond started at 165 for PSU, wasn't replaced, and DNQ for NCAAs.
2015-16 Garrett initially started at 165 for PSU.
Garrett was replaced in the starting lineup by transfer Geno Morelli.

2016-17 Garrett had transferred to Drexel but was injured (DNQ for NCAAs).
2016-17 Geno Morelli went 2-2 at NCAAs.

Garrett participated only in 2017-18 NCAA Championship, but at 157 for Drexel.
He didn't All American (1-2).

Meanwhile Jason Nolf was the National Champ at 157, and Vincenzo Joseph was National Champ at 165.

If I have this right, which I think I do, Garrett never outplaced anyone who could be considered as having replaced him in the starting lineup, so I don't think he fits.

I used the PSWC site, Drexel site, and WrestleStat for the above. Any double-check is welcome.
 
98lberEating2Lunches said:
Do I have the following right? (a bit of a brain teaser)

2014-15 Garrett Hammond started at 165 for PSU, wasn't replaced, and DNQ for NCAAs.
2015-16 Garrett initially started at 165 for PSU.
Garrett was replaced in the starting lineup by transfer Geno Morelli.

2016-17 Garrett had transferred to Drexel but was injured (DNQ for NCAAs).
2016-17 Geno Morelli went 2-2 at NCAAs.

Garrett participated only in 2017-18 NCAA Championship, but at 157 for Drexel.
He didn't All American (1-2).

Meanwhile Jason Nolf was the National Champ at 157, and Vincenzo Joseph was National Champ at 165.

If I have this right, which I think I do, Garrett never outplaced anyone who could be considered as having replaced him in the starting lineup, so I don't think he fits.

I used the PSWC site, Drexel site, and WrestleStat for the above. Any double-check is welcome.
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He fits your first criteria but not the 2nd.
 
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98lberEating2Lunches said:
In the Cael era, how many subsequent NCAA qualifiers have we seen after they transferred out, who were purportedly recruited over or otherwise lost their preferred weights starting spot in the lineup?

Off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • Jarod Verkleeren
  • Michael Beard
  • **
How many of these were All-American finishers, who placed higher than PSU's starter?

Again, off the top of my head:​
  • Bubba Jenkins*
  • **
* Not recruited by Cael & Co.
** Acknowledging but not including Nick Suriano.

I think PSU will be just fine. Cael & Co have a system, they are honest with the recruits, and they maintain the integrity of system's core--even as they continually seek improvements. Like they always preach, it's about consistency and gratitude.
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Kellan Stout went to Pitt and qualified in 2019. We had a little bit better 197lber that year.
 
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Did AJ Nevills ever officially wrestle for PSU? Was he even rostered?

Or did he only grey shirt and wrestle opens unattached?

From wrestlestat and PSWC site it only looks like the latter.
 
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Perusing all PSWC seasonal records and wrestlestat, I added to at least acknowledge Jordan Pagano and Cody Law to my performance of past PSU outward transfers.
 
SCub said:
I hope I’m wrong but I be surprised to see C* and Kirk take their full eligibility. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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I'm surprised that Kirk hasn't signed up for the US Open. Does anyone know the reason?
 
SCub said:
do elite level recruits want to spend 6 years wrestling in college when MMA, Olympics, other opportunities are out there?
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Not many, but once you hit the eighth year, you get the Micic AARP discount.
 
98lberEating2Lunches said:
Do I have the following right? (a bit of a brain teaser)

2014-15 Garrett Hammond started at 165 for PSU, wasn't replaced, and DNQ for NCAAs.
2015-16 Garrett initially started at 165 for PSU.
Garrett was replaced in the starting lineup by transfer Geno Morelli.

2016-17 Garrett had transferred to Drexel but was injured (DNQ for NCAAs).
2016-17 Geno Morelli went 2-2 at NCAAs.

Garrett participated only in 2017-18 NCAA Championship, but at 157 for Drexel.
He didn't All American (1-2).

Meanwhile Jason Nolf was the National Champ at 157, and Vincenzo Joseph was National Champ at 165.

If I have this right, which I think I do, Garrett never outplaced anyone who could be considered as having replaced him in the starting lineup, so I don't think he fits.

I used the PSWC site, Drexel site, and WrestleStat for the above. Any double-check is welcome.
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Too much work I'll take your word for it lol
 
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