Is 2024-25 the Peak for PSU?
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You are saying DT will overhaul the RTC staff? If papa Fix leaves his position you think Daton stays?
I, too, think we are about to see an oligopoly with OSU and PSU banging heads for recruits and titles very soon (2-3 years). I’m not as pessimistic as some nor as sanguine as others, but I’m thinking rich Penn State alums besides Ira who have enjoyed this dynasty like we plebes have are contacting Cael with additional promises of support.
If SVN can get (and stay) healthy at 149 and with Duke coming in at 157, it's possible that in a couple years Kasak won't have a spot in the lineup. Assuming Ryder is at 174, he'll have competition from some combination of Facundo, Henckel, and maybe even Haines and Sealy. Hard to forecast how the lineup will shake out. Certainly losing Kasak and/or Ryder would sting, but saying their loss would be a huge blow to the PSU multi-year plan seems like hyperbole.
Overall, DT and Okie State will get their fair share of top recruits. I expect PSU will as well.
Losing DT from NLWC to coach at Okie State will hurt PSU to some degree, yes. But worst case scenario? DT going to anOSU or Michigan would probably be worse.
DT at Michigan with the Cliff Keen bag money and well developed RTC would be a killer.
Let's just say I will be very happy if all the M2 guys already pledged to us stay that way.
You all are correct, OSU ain't taking us down any time soon, but if they do raid or cupboard (either the kids want to follow David, or OSU booster via NIL go out and outright buy them), I can definitely see OSU leapfrogging tOSU and Iowa to the perrenial #2 in the country, in as short as 2 years.
That is fast.
I can see OSU becoming my second favorite team to root for as well starting next fall. How can you not?
You all are correct, OSU ain't taking us down any time soon, but if they do raid or cupboard (either the kids want to follow David, or OSU booster via NIL go out and outright buy them), I can definitely see OSU leapfrogging tOSU and Iowa to the perrenial #2 in the country, in as short as 2 years.
That is fast.
I can see OSU becoming my second favorite team to root for as well starting next fall. How can you not?
I guess it's possible, but tOSU has some excellent young talent onboard and more coming. I see them as the top tier opponent in the near future. It will be tough for the Cowboys to pass them, but it will be interesting.
Iowa, probably.
Ohio State might be a little longer. They're a young team with the 2nd most returning points, one national champ (Mendez), another favorite in 2026 (Feldman), a threat in Welsh, and a lot of upper end talent incoming.
Taylor might pass Ryan this year as a one-off if he lands both Alirez and Hendrickson -- but either way OKST loses a lot of SR points (Plott, Hamiti, any other rentals). Staying ahead of Ryan might take more than 2 years.
All I can say is that when Sanderson started this thing, I said I'd never see a better team than the team anchored by Taylor and Ruth. Clearly I did see better squads again and again. That said, it cannot go on forever especially with the Sanderson coaching tree starting to branch off.
So yeah, 24 and 25 may very well be the peak, and you are spot on - the future is bright.
Just think how fun it will be to be fans of the #1 and #2 team in the country!
I know I am talking about 25-26 we win both yrs!!
I think people are making this way to easy for dt. This is going to be a daunting task and he ain't Cael I don't see anyone surpassing us for quite some time just look at what we have going the next four years and tell me a line up that even comes close. Of course there are a ton of what ifs like who goes with him and who stays yada yada yada. Let's let it unfold. I wish dt luck and he's going to need it I would not want any part of that pressure from that school
It won't be easy, but Okie State already has pretty good young talent on hand and incoming for DT to work with:
Thompson, top 10 recruit in 2023 class, 3 years remaining
Jamison, several wins over AAs last season, 3 years remaining
Spratley, R12 at 2024 NCAAs, 3 years remaining
Carroll, one of very top recruits in 2023 class, made Olympic Team Trials, 4 years remaining
Hughes, top 10 recruit in 2023 class, just won U20 title at 61 kg over Kyler Larkin, 4 years remaining
Merrill, one of very top ranked recruits in 2024 class
Lockett, one of very top guys in 2025 class, just won U20 title over Sealey at 74 kg
A better base than what Cael had but will they all buy in??? probably not. But they will be there for a year at least because isn’t the portal closed now?
Cael had Q (2), Ruth (3) and Molinero (1) sitting here waiting. Okie has talent waiting for development, but not sure it is a better championship base than what Cael had.
I think a great number of us will root for Okie State (*) and DT except for the annual meeting that will certainly be set up in the near future. I think what will be most interesting to watch how fast and if DT becomes Darth. I’d like to think that I will always admire DT, but, competition has a way of breeding contempt. Let’s see. Gonna be interesting for sure!
(*)I’ve learned that calling people in Oklahoma an Okie is generally accepted, BUT, calling the university “Okie state” is not.
And Vallimont who finished 2nd in Cael's first season.
I wish we had asked ourselves, just after Cael arrived, how many individual titles we expected from the inherited wrestlers. I’m guessing the majority opinion would have been less than 6.
If I’m being honest at that time I would have guessed only QW.
I would've guessed Ruth too. He was so much better after that year at Blair.
I think I would've seen opportunity for mulitple titles from those two -- but not expected it. Winning titles is extremely hard.
It has been just so easy to forget this lately.
True, but for accuracy they likely only have a few days left to register. They got 30d from Smith's resignation on 4/11.
The only gray area would be if they got an additional 30d when Interim Coach Scott was relieved. Probably not, since Scott was named interim, but I've not seen that explicitly stated in the rules.
The extra 30d begins when a head coach leaves, not when a new coach starts.
That’s fair, coming into 2010 I was confident that Q would eventually find himself on top of the podium after what I saw from him the year prior as a true freshman. I just couldn’t say the same for Ed without him ever wrestling a collegiate match and I love Frank and this isn’t a knock but his commitment level in ‘09 wasn’t anywhere near what it was in ‘11 and ‘12 but that was also a much different culture under NoFunderland.
That's completely aligned with Frank's article about his mindset change under Cael. Also, Frank's college results didn't project toward a 2x finalist (which as it turns out, was related).
On the day Cael was hired, I probably would've expected former finalist Jenkins to win a title. Just not for somebody else.
To count backwards to get the most recent six individual PSU champions prior to Cael's arrival I think we get to 1995. McCoy 95, Abe 96, McCoy 97, Pritzlaff 99, Hunter 00 and Davis 08. I doubt any of us would have seen 6 in a 3 year period sitting in the room waiting to be developed. Perspectives have certainly changed.
I think DT will do very well at OSU and will win and contend for championships real soon. Different landscape these days. OSU looks to even have deeper pockets than PSU. This said, PSU still has geography and most importantly Cael who is an outlier. Cael will win less, but still more than everyone else for the foreseeable future.
Makes wrestling more exciting these days.
I think The OSU will take a bit of a hit in their recruiting going forward.
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