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Interesting that Thread "Deniers" can't see the obvious...

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It's funny that the Thread "Deniers" don't see the obvious. Hundreds of Convenient, Informative, Optimized Summaries have been Censored away.

Examples:

  • With the Topic view, you see one subject line "Title" per thread.

  • But with Thread View, you could see hundreds of what are essentially "Title" lines. Each one could be rich with key information.

A poster could put something like this in his subject line : Article Link. That alone would save lots of time, for those who wanted to quickly go straight to a link to see an article on the topic being discussed.

Someone might add their Subject Line Title: Big Ten Network Response... or Court Grants Paterno's Request... or New PSU Recruit Gets Rivals 4 Star, plus a 5 Star & 4 Star. Again, people could quickly see major additions to an item being discussed and go right to that post. Or, perhaps they could get all the information they wanted just in the Subject line.

  • Thread View gave far more ability to Customize and Optimize the reading experience for every single poster.

  • Readers could choose the information they wanted as a brief summary, or if they wanted more information, they had hundreds of choices of where they could go for more information... selected the way THEY wanted to see it.

You can go on and on with endless examples, of how each poster could essentially be adding a new twist, new information, new links, a funny response, etc, and viewers could see what was being added, just by scanning the subject lines.

Readers could pick up tons of information right off of the subject lines and if they wanted to burrow in at that spot they could. Or, if they wanted to, they could hit one button to see the entire thread in order, as they are now.

  • This limited Topic View only version is a far more backward setup than what was on the site before. Yes there are some more "features" in some cases. it is probably more stable.

  • From a content and access point-of-view, Topic View Only is a major step backward, dramatically shutting down access to hundreds of quick Information Access points.

  • Now readers are blinded and far less likely to quickly see where there might be a key piece of information that is most important to them.

Instead of hundreds of lines of Focused Summary Information, which often had lots of detail too, we are left with a handful of subject lines.

  • The richness of many creative, informative individual summary inputs is Censored away.

  • That's a huge drawback and an enormous time killer.

The end result of taking away hundreds of individual Subject Lines is a Very Poor Access launching platform. It is devoid of hundreds of points of richer information, that can no longer be quickly scanned, to optimize and essentially customize the experience for every reader.

People want things the way they want them.

Example: Instead of getting to choose the clothes you get to wear, from a wide variety, with a richness of expression, information and humor, we are stuck with a limited selection of "Leisure Suits" where One Narrow Variation is forced onto everyone.

To the Topic View Leisure Suiters...

Fine if you want limited variety and lack of choice, but for those who've experienced freedom of choice, the Big Brother Dictator Mode isn't a good fit.


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If you don't like topic view just go use another board. I'm sure you'll find another Penn State recruiting site that uses thread view. ;)
 
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No thanks - You can keep your Conspiracy Theory stuff.

Noticed that the issues mentioned were not addressed by some of the "usual suspects" who just blindly attack the messenger.

Not surprised.

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In some ways, removing Thread View is like removing a good quality Index section from a book. Indexing adds short words and phrases to help readers more quickly hone in on specific info they prefer.​

Thread Views provide a similar option of scanning hundreds of subject lines, with the same purpose... To quickly access more quality information, customized for each reader.

We can hope that Rivals will consider adding back a Thread View option. Although it looks like the hundreds of very helpful subject line inputs in Thread View are lost for now, while the more bland and more difficult to scan "Leisure Suit-like Topic View" is left behind.

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It's funny that the Thread "Deniers" don't see the obvious. Hundreds of Convenient, Informative, Optimized Summaries have been Censored away.

Examples:

  • With the Topic view, you see one subject line "Title" per thread.

  • But with Thread View, you could see hundreds of what are essentially "Title" lines. Each one could be rich with key information.

A poster could put something like this in his subject line : Article Link. That alone would save lots of time, for those who wanted to quickly go straight to a link to see an article on the topic being discussed.

Someone might add their Subject Line Title: Big Ten Network Response... or Court Grants Paterno's Request... or New PSU Recruit Gets Rivals 4 Star, plus a 5 Star & 4 Star. Again, people could quickly see major additions to an item being discussed and go right to that post. Or, perhaps they could get all the information they wanted just in the Subject line.

  • Thread View gave far more ability to Customize and Optimize the reading experience for every single poster.

  • Readers could choose the information they wanted as a brief summary, or if they wanted more information, they had hundreds of choices of where they could go for more information... selected the way THEY wanted to see it.

You can go on and on with endless examples, of how each poster could essentially be adding a new twist, new information, new links, a funny response, etc, and viewers could see what was being added, just by scanning the subject lines.

Readers could pick up tons of information right off of the subject lines and if they wanted to burrow in at that spot they could. Or, if they wanted to, they could hit one button to see the entire thread in order, as they are now.

  • This limited Topic View only version is a far more backward setup than what was on the site before. Yes there are some more "features" in some cases. it is probably more stable.

  • From a content and access point-of-view, Topic View Only is a major step backward, dramatically shutting down access to hundreds of quick Information Access points.

  • Now readers are blinded and far less likely to quickly see where there might be a key piece of information that is most important to them.

Instead of hundreds of lines of Focused Summary Information, which often had lots of detail too, we are left with a handful of subject lines.

  • The richness of many creative, informative individual summary inputs is Censored away.

  • That's a huge drawback and an enormous time killer.

The end result of taking away hundreds of individual Subject Lines is a Very Poor Access launching platform. It is devoid of hundreds of points of richer information, that can no longer be quickly scanned, to optimize and essentially customize the experience for every reader.

People want things the way they want them.

Example: Instead of getting to choose the clothes you get to wear, from a wide variety, with a richness of expression, information and humor, we are stuck with a limited selection of "Leisure Suits" where One Narrow Variation is forced onto everyone.

To the Topic View Leisure Suiters...

Fine if you want limited variety and lack of choice, but for those who've experienced freedom of choice, the Big Brother Dictator Mode isn't a good fit.


Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary. Some shifting and settling may occur during shipping and handling. Objects close to you may appear bigger than they seem.

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Is a guy with over 75,000 posts worrying about something being a huge time killer?
 
Is a guy with over 75,000 posts worrying about something being a huge time killer?

LOL - Well of course.

Google got to be successful by increasing access to information, quickly and efficiently. Now they have enormous volume. They report their volume in the Trillions for 2014 alone.

If Google made changes that slowed down quick access, people would not like it. If they went backward to a slower, clunkier library card-like system, which takes much longer to get to key information, their over-all volume would decrease.

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Some are able to and like to read, type and access information much faster than others. They appreciate modern systems that IMPROVE ACCESS time, creating efficiencies and shortcuts. They don't appreciate those who throw up unnecessary roadblocks, slowing access time and making it much more likely that key information is never seen at all, because of the torturous and pedantic process required with Topic View.

Perhaps some don't like the advantages of fast data processing in the information age and want to go backward to the slower, more simple "Leisure Suit-like Era." No problem... Keep the Slower, Clunkier Topic View System for them too.

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Why are you afraid of someone posting their opinion. I agree with his articulate post 100%, Do you work for BWI??? or what is your problem>

What's his problem? It's pretty simple really...he's a legendary f'en douche-bag. Not that being a royal jagoff @sswipe is really an excuse, but it is the reason. This @sshole is also a big fan of, and defender, of the Board of Thieves (charlatans and whores) -- go figure.
 
What's his problem? It's pretty simple really...he's a legendary f'en douche-bag. Not that being a royal jagoff @sswipe is really an excuse, but it is the reason. This @sshole is also a big fan of, and defender, of the Board of Thieves (charlatans and whores) -- go figure.

I'm a BOT defender? LOL You really are nuts.

Only at BWI could a message board software switch be linked to a conspiracy against Joe Paterno and people forgetting about Joe in general. The things posted here have been absolutely ridiculous.

As for TJ....I wasn't even referencing whatever BS he just spewed in this thread. He's probably going to link this change to liberals and global warming instead of a pro-BOT conspiracy any day now.
 
It's funny that the Thread "Deniers" don't see the obvious. Hundreds of Convenient, Informative, Optimized Summaries have been Censored away.

Examples:

  • With the Topic view, you see one subject line "Title" per thread.

  • But with Thread View, you could see hundreds of what are essentially "Title" lines. Each one could be rich with key information.

A poster could put something like this in his subject line : Article Link. That alone would save lots of time, for those who wanted to quickly go straight to a link to see an article on the topic being discussed.

Someone might add their Subject Line Title: Big Ten Network Response... or Court Grants Paterno's Request... or New PSU Recruit Gets Rivals 4 Star, plus a 5 Star & 4 Star. Again, people could quickly see major additions to an item being discussed and go right to that post. Or, perhaps they could get all the information they wanted just in the Subject line.

  • Thread View gave far more ability to Customize and Optimize the reading experience for every single poster.

  • Readers could choose the information they wanted as a brief summary, or if they wanted more information, they had hundreds of choices of where they could go for more information... selected the way THEY wanted to see it.

You can go on and on with endless examples, of how each poster could essentially be adding a new twist, new information, new links, a funny response, etc, and viewers could see what was being added, just by scanning the subject lines.

Readers could pick up tons of information right off of the subject lines and if they wanted to burrow in at that spot they could. Or, if they wanted to, they could hit one button to see the entire thread in order, as they are now.

  • This limited Topic View only version is a far more backward setup than what was on the site before. Yes there are some more "features" in some cases. it is probably more stable.

  • From a content and access point-of-view, Topic View Only is a major step backward, dramatically shutting down access to hundreds of quick Information Access points.

  • Now readers are blinded and far less likely to quickly see where there might be a key piece of information that is most important to them.

Instead of hundreds of lines of Focused Summary Information, which often had lots of detail too, we are left with a handful of subject lines.

  • The richness of many creative, informative individual summary inputs is Censored away.

  • That's a huge drawback and an enormous time killer.

The end result of taking away hundreds of individual Subject Lines is a Very Poor Access launching platform. It is devoid of hundreds of points of richer information, that can no longer be quickly scanned, to optimize and essentially customize the experience for every reader.

People want things the way they want them.

Example: Instead of getting to choose the clothes you get to wear, from a wide variety, with a richness of expression, information and humor, we are stuck with a limited selection of "Leisure Suits" where One Narrow Variation is forced onto everyone.

To the Topic View Leisure Suiters...

Fine if you want limited variety and lack of choice, but for those who've experienced freedom of choice, the Big Brother Dictator Mode isn't a good fit.


Disclaimer: Your mileage may vary. Some shifting and settling may occur during shipping and handling. Objects close to you may appear bigger than they seem.

;)


Bullshit. I used Topic View and entered my posts in the post box, not the subject line. There's a reason they gave you the post box.

Thread view is gone and isn't coming back. Get over it.
 
Once this board gets used to it, it will be OK. For example topics that are discussed a lot will have their own thread. That will stay near top of board. TOS has a recruiting thread and an all things related to Scandal thread. I'd suggest the same thing here. When you get that itch to talk Sandusky. You go there. New recruiting news. Go there.

Maybe, a recruiting around B1G thread. Could generate interest from visitors. I'd also suggest NHL and NBA playoff talk. Wouldn't be much in the hoops thread. A PSU hoops and hockey thread. My .02
 
Is a guy with over 75,000 posts worrying about something being a huge time killer?

It's kind of a paradox. Since TJ would like to continue to post away, it is an even larger concern for him. On the other hand, if he cold turkeyed this board, he'd have to admit himself to a meth clinic. This is from someone who did cold turkey the old board year's ago and would now probably have to go the meth route too. Brutal addiction. That's why the change is hurting some so much. They want what they perceive as the good stuff man.
 
All good points TJ, but this is a lost cause. Time to move on. Certainly a reason this board has members going back well over a decade. In any case, time to find ways to make the new format work for us. What I don't understand is how so many people are intolerant of others who are upset with the change. They see this as a huge leap in technological advancement, but don't see that this is essentially a trade off - faster, more responsive and powerful user interface at the expense of rich, member driven conversation, content, and dialogue. Members who are more into gathering information love the new format, those of us who liked to create our own content aren't as thrilled - is what it is.
 
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This stuff reminds me of all the people that say they are going to move out of the country every time their pick for President isn't elected. Lots of things happen in life that we don't like. Deal with it.
 
In other words:
IT'S THE END OF CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT!!!!!!
Or at least as a poster with 76000 crazy-ass posts knows it.
Actually, I agree with most of the rant - the organization of the threads are now less coherent and posting methods are now much more non-intuitive.
But if it discourages any more of the 76,000 crazy-ass posts, I am 100% for it.
 
Perhaps a new chant should be started in honor of a small chunk or our fan base:

We are.......up*tight
 
Is a guy with over 75,000 posts worrying about something being a huge time killer?

I wonder if thread view takes over his OCD or will it still go the non global warming route. Interesting to see as 70k of his posts have zero to do with football. Maybe he conducts his scientific studies on the thread view ramifications? Anyone not liking thread view will be a "denier" or a "moron" or an "idiot". You must think exactly like him or else!!!!! :confused:

We get it...some people don't like it.
 
I wonder if thread view takes over his OCD or will it still go the non global warming route. Interesting to see as 70k of his posts have zero to do with football. Maybe he conducts his scientific studies on the thread view ramifications? Anyone not liking thread view will be a "denier" or a "moron" or an "idiot". You must think exactly like him or else!!!!! :confused:

We get it...some people don't like it.


No, he's going to somehow figure out a way to blame the change on Global Warming.
 
I wonder if thread view takes over his OCD or will it still go the non global warming route. Interesting to see as 70k of his posts have zero to do with football. Maybe he conducts his scientific studies on the thread view ramifications? Anyone not liking thread view will be a "denier" or a "moron" or an "idiot". You must think exactly like him or else!!!!! :confused:

We get it...some people don't like it.
Does TJ have an interest in the Global Warming debate? Where have I been? Is TJ a scientist, Scientologist or a wealthy scion with the luxury of spare time?
 
I wonder if thread view takes over his OCD or will it still go the non global warming route. Interesting to see as 70k of his posts have zero to do with football. Maybe he conducts his scientific studies on the thread view ramifications? Anyone not liking thread view will be a "denier" or a "moron" or an "idiot". You must think exactly like him or else!!!!! :confused:

We get it...some people don't like it.

I think that is why Al Gore invented the internet... to give guys like TJ something to do.
 
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Do you think yahoo made a good business decision when they chose to eliminate their value added feature? One might as well try out competitors now.

"Yahoo" and "good business decision" should never be use in the same sentence.:eek:
 
He has all but admitted that he gets paid to post what he posts.
That explains 75,796 posts and this is the first one that has made any sense at all.
But what's the hourly rate to make 75,796 posts on a board frequented by a half dozen crazy people who already agree with you?
 
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All good points TJ, but this is a lost cause. Time to move on. Certainly a reason this board has members going back well over a decade. In any case, time to find ways to make the new format work for us. What I don't understand is how so many people are intolerant of others who are upset with the change. They see this as a huge leap in technological advancement, but don't see that this is essentially a trade off - faster, more responsive and powerful user interface at the expense of rich, member driven conversation, content, and dialogue. Members who are more into gathering information love the new format, those of us who liked to create our own content aren't as thrilled - is what it is.

Good comments Midnighter. Thank you.

It's interesting to see the individuals who "get it" regarding the real impact of changes and those who can't think clearly or aren't mature enough to appreciate the many impacts.

Some of the "usual suspects" who are less capable of participating in rational discussions on this topic, are some of the same individuals who are too often, less capable of participating in rational discussions on other topics.

  • Too often, intolerant, school yard rants and childish name-calling tactics, are silly to everyone but those who make them, because they just don't "get it."
  • Too often, that kind of intolerance grows out of ignorance, inner self-delusions and/or bigoted viewpoints.
  • The world will always have those kinds, who can't rise above it, who can't out grow it or who refuse to remove their blinders.
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Reasonable people with experience understand what goes into making changes like this and how corporate decisions are made and carried out. Those who sold their management on this system, will dig in and defend it, no matter how bad the outcome. The time for input is generally before those on a narrow mission run the cart off the road.​

So, as you say Midnighter, people will work with what they are given.

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The BWI boards have been a rich experience for many...

There has been a strong community developed here. There have been many intelligent, passionate and fun exchanges, among those who are tolerant of changes, but who are clever enough to see the many impacts, both on the football field, in the university, in the community and in individuals' lives.

We've seen major changes in people's lives. We've seen eager boys grow into men, under the guidance of great ones like Joe Paterno, Bill O'Brien and now James Franklin. We've seen young men rise to greatness on and off the field, like Mike Mauti and others who stood strong against the storms.
We've seen heartache and loss, for individuals, for families, for the university and the community.

Some board members have had major health issues and some have passed on from this life. Our own board community has lost some very strong contributors like Shrink, Carol, CBOTKevin/Fun160 and others not named.

Some members share the joys of adding new family members and the sorrow of declines. Many board participants in essence, become an extended "family" among those who are caring.
Together, we have celebrated, encouraged and mourned, through many changes.

  • The diversity and richness of expression among reasonable board members is appreciated, among those who are tolerant and who are enriched by a variety of thoughtful viewpoints.
  • When we collectively lose an important method, where many changes and inputs were easily shared and discussed, it diminishes all in the board community.

Those on the outside, those who are intolerant and/or those with narrow agendas, may never understand.

"and the beat goes on... "

 
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