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Famed Attorney Writes Op-ed Urging Second Look at Sandusky Case!

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I haven't posted anything regarding the "Sandusky Story" for quite a while for several reasons (one of which is that I have been working on a rather extensive new story which hopefully will be out soon). However, I HAVE to share the column in today's Centre Daily Times by famed attorney Tom Mesereau. In it, Tom (who I have gotten to know pretty well over the very long process of coordinating this generous effort on his part) urges a second look at the ENTIRE "PSU/Sandusky" story. I think you will find it well worth reading and sharing.

http://www.centredaily.com/2015/03/31/4680643_their-view-michael-jacksons-lawyer.html?rh=1

John Ziegler
 
well done...

My wife has been in and out of the business of dealing with troubled young men. it is not uncommon to be accused of abuse if you are a man in that industry. (becoming more common with women too).

The entire case around JS revolves around Mike McQueary's testimony. That is the lynchpin. And that is why the prosecution protected him by indicting Curley and Schultz. The janitors and all of the young men are problematic witnesses for several reasons.

It is very possible that the detectives and prosecution got MM to embolden his testimony for several different reasons. We know that the detectives were pretty aggressive with witnesses. Then, they knew C & S testimony's would undermine MM's. So, they indicted them. They knew JS' defense would be C & S pointing out the softness of MM's testimony over the 11 years. Who knew it would blow up like it did? Now, if C & S get off, they might just take JS' best witness with them.

Remember, at the time, there were only a few kids stating they were abused and then their was MM. After it blew up, many came forward. However, by that time, there was no way to walk back the C & S indictments. Today, given what is going on, its no wonder the C & S indictments are still out there. MM continues to be the lynchpin.

If it comes out that MM was "coached" and/or his testimony was emboldened in any way, its going to be a freeh for all.
 
Re: well done...

Sorry, but I really don't care if that POS gets a fair shake. I'm quite certain it's a sick man who indeed did molest children and I have zero sympathy there. Let him rot and die in there. Blaming or questioning a witness is pretty much a standard when it comes to defense attorney's so to me this is not some new revelation. What MM said, saw, or reacted certainly can be questioned, but you need a bigger smoking gun that that to tell me JS isn't a serial pedophile.
 
Re: well done...

+1

This post was edited on 4/1 7:44 AM by WTNuke
 
If sandusky had anything close to competent council, he might

have won a few more counts, but there was no way he way he was coming out of there being found not guilty. Perhaps a mistrial if someone held out on the jury. But the kangaroo court did everything it could to find sandusky guilty and not give his clown tag team of lawyers a chance. When cops are allowed to lie on the stand, get caught, and still have their testimony count, you know something is up. When McQueary's dad "can't remember" travelling to Harrisburg and testifying for a grand jury (actually testified he couldn't remember, it was objected to and the judge yelled "he doesn't remember, move on!") but he is recalling things from 11 (12) years prior with perfect planned recollection, you are in bizzaro world.
 
Re: well done...

I tend to agree but with some reservations. Something was clearly wrong with Sandusky, but I do have a nagging question in my mind about what level his molestation or pedophilia rose to. Was it "inappropriate" showers, touching and wrestling/horsing around or were there actual sex acts involved or something in between? That may not matter as to his ultimate fate in the legal system and whether he rots there or not, but it would have mattered a lot as to the public perception of Joe, PSU, etc.

Not a single kid/adult came forward until the story broke and the only two supposed 3rd party witnesses to decades of anal and oral molestation were MM (his troubled and questionable testimony speaks for itself) and a demented janitor and neither of them brought it to the legal system either until a almost a decade later.. So I have not risen to any level of sympathy for JS, but I have questions as to what exactly happened here. I have a very difficult time explaining the behavior of Joe, C,S and S other than strongly considering the likelihood that McQueary ramped up his story over time about what he actually heard/saw and what he told Joe and CSS he saw. Take away the anal rape allegation in the leaked GJP and the whole saga may well have began MUCH differently.
 
I won't argue that point

because I think you are probably correct. However, I do believe that JS didn't get a fair trial. And absent of that, cannot formulate an opinion with anything more than 90% certainty.

MM's story simply doesn't add up. This is especially true if you've been in the locker room with proximity to the showers, lockers & mirrors. I honestly never believed what he had to say from day one.

I suspect, though have no evidence, that JS is an abuser that fondles. I am not convinced that he raped or had any kind of sexual intercourse. he is certainly creepy.

But to the point, that makes C & S actions more understandable. While in hindsight, given the volume of information, it is easy to see what we SHOULD have done, his vague actions and creepy history (and the successful history of his and his charity with other young men) make this far from open and shut or easy (as the press would have you believe). And C & S didn't have that volume of info. In fact, the GJ didn't either.

I think he's guilty and should be in jail. But I wouldn't be shocked to find out otherwise.

This post was edited on 4/1 8:38 AM by Obliviax
 
I think Zieglar has been briefing this attorney, but does that matter?

Mesereau still has to buy it all to go forward with the LTE. I'm in the camp that JS did not get an adequately prepared defense, regardless of the extent of his culpability. Why that matters is negative impact spread to others. I for one would like to see a retrial handled by a competent defense lawyer like Mesereau. Why? So we have a better opportunity to uncover what really happened.
 
Re: well done...


Originally posted by LaJolla Lion:
Sorry, but I really don't care if that POS gets a fair shake. I'm quite certain it's a sick man who indeed did molest children and I have zero sympathy there. Let him rot and die in there. Blaming or questioning a witness is pretty much a standard when it comes to defense attorney's so to me this is not some new revelation. What MM said, saw, or reacted certainly can be questioned, but you need a bigger smoking gun that that to tell me JS isn't a serial pedophile.
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And where is the smoking gun that says that he is a pedophile, serial or otherwise?
 
Perry Mason !

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MM was the anchor to the case

and even the janitors to a lesser extent. Without the cases on V2 and V8, what happens with the rest?
 
Re: MM was the anchor to the case


Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Amendola request numerous continuances to prepare for trial...and everytime he asked he was overruled?
 
There was enough BS in the whole case

that there should be a pause (and should have been 3 years ago) to properly question things on both sides. Unfortunately with such an emotional issue, it ends up being torches and pitchforks.
 
Re: MM was the anchor to the case

he did and was denied. This was also subject to one of the appeals, but was shot down again because Amendola testified that he didn't find anything in discovery that would have changed his defense strategy.

But now we have this alleged janitor tape. Supposedly Amendola has it. When did he get it and why didn't he use it?
 
Did I recently read something about JS' appeal window closing soon?

I would imagine it is always open if new information comes to light. But I think I read somebody saying his appeal for trail process has to be filed soon.
 
Regarding the C/S/S trials......

could these possibly drag on until JS has run out of appeals options to keep these guys on the sidelines?
 
the prosecuters had more porn on their computers ....


...than Sandusky had on his. A "serial pedophile" with no child pornography on his computer? Sorry, something doesn't add up here...
 
Not sure of the timing

my understanding is that an appeal is being worked on. Not sure how the janitor tape plays into anything at this point (and don't even know how legit it is). But the Rominger leak of the MS tape play into an appeal somewhere
 
Re: the prosecuters had more porn on their computers ....

A "serial pedophile" with no child pornography on his computer? Sorry, something doesn't add up here...

It is a curious missing piece of evidence. I could be wrong without the statistical data to back it up, but he would seem to be an outlier on that count.
 
Re: the prosecuters had more porn on their computers ....

Yep, he's innocent. This site at times is borderline crazy and that is being generous.
 
Re: the prosecuters had more porn on their computers ....

You should tone back on the blockhead responses once in a while.

Ephrata makes a good point about lack of computer/digital evidence.

It is a good point, and you could have just done as I did and agreed it was a good point.

I am not part of the Sandusky Innocence Project. But, a good point is a good point and deserves to be recognized as such.

More often than not, when we fail to concede a good point here and there, we fail to win the overall argument. It is not necessary to be immovable to win.
 
Re: the prosecuters had more porn on their computers ....

Point is JS is a child molestor. Sorry I don't put on the kiddy gloves for this nonsense.
 
Do you think that.....

even those who appear to be the "most guilty" (maybe ESPECIALLY those that appear to be the most guilty) deserve an honest trial?
 
Re: well done...


Originally posted by Mixolydian:
I tend to agree but with some reservations. Something was clearly wrong with Sandusky, but I do have a nagging question in my mind about what level his molestation or pedophilia rose to. Was it "inappropriate" showers, touching and wrestling/horsing around or were there actual sex acts involved or something in between? That may not matter as to his ultimate fate in the legal system and whether he rots there or not, but it would have mattered a lot as to the public perception of Joe, PSU, etc.

Not a single kid/adult came forward until the story broke and the only two supposed 3rd party witnesses to decades of anal and oral molestation were MM (his troubled and questionable testimony speaks for itself) and a demented janitor and neither of them brought it to the legal system either until a almost a decade later.. So I have not risen to any level of sympathy for JS, but I have questions as to what exactly happened here. I have a very difficult time explaining the behavior of Joe, C,S and S other than strongly considering the likelihood that McQueary ramped up his story over time about what he actually heard/saw and what he told Joe and CSS he saw. Take away the anal rape allegation in the leaked GJP and the whole saga may well have began MUCH differently.
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My views of this mess pretty much line up with what Mixolydian wrote above.

Due to the kangaroo court antics of the prosecutors and judge during the JS trial, they unfortunately left a lot of room for doubt. And it's a real shame. Especially since this was supposedly an open and shut case.

If police are PROVEN on tape to be manipulating alleged victim testimony, who's to say that they didn't do the same to numerous other victims/witnesses (including MM)?? That then leads to numerous other questions which cloud some of the certainty of what these victims/witnesses were saying.

At the same time, if JS is completely innocent, then why did he drop his appeal after being indicated by Clinton County CYS? I would think an innocent person would fight that one to the death, especially if their life's work was working with kids, you kind of need that ChildLine clearance to do so.

Also, why did he continue to shower with TSM boys after almost getting in big trouble for it in 1998 and being told to (and agreeing to) not do it any more? Why not have another adult present when around these kids so that a repeat of the 1998 "misunderstanding" doesn't happen again?

Soooooo many questions regarding this JS mess and unfortunately I don't think we will get any answers to most of them.

This post was edited on 4/1 11:24 AM by WeR0206
 
I was in attendance for all but two days of Sandusky's trial and heard the victims testimony. While a couple came across as genuine to me, more were less than believable, IMHO.

I don't think Sandusky got a fair trial. Having said that, I do believe he has some strange sexual proclivities about "boys" and he's should be in jail. He had ample opportunity to cease his late-night, secluded sojourns into the showers after the 1998 incident where Gricar didn't press any charges. ("I wish I was dead") Because he wasn't charged, he was emboldened to continue with this disturbing fetish.

The trial judge's ruling were almost all in favor of the prosecution, allowing hearsay evidence, speculation and yes, even perjury admitted into the transcript, among with countless other things.

I think there should be a review of this entire case and perhaps someday that will happen.

Thank you, JZ for keeping the fires stoked, but not because I believe Jerry is by any means unaccountable for his actions but because there was so much collateral damage to too many people.
 
Re: well done...


Originally posted by LaJolla Lion:
Sorry, but I really don't care if that POS gets a fair shake. I'm quite certain it's a sick man who indeed did molest children and I have zero sympathy there. Let him rot and die in there. Blaming or questioning a witness is pretty much a standard when it comes to defense attorney's so to me this is not some new revelation. What MM said, saw, or reacted certainly can be questioned, but you need a bigger smoking gun that that to tell me JS isn't a serial pedophile.
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Why are you so closed minded? Don't you believe that some people in jail are innocent of what they have been accused of?

Are you so naive to think that each and every one of the millions in jail today in the USA are all guilty? Please open your eyes to this particular case; only a POS, as you would say, would do otherwise.
 
Me too - specifically concerning his guilt.

I do believe he has some strange sexual proclivities about "boys" and he's should
be in jail. He had ample opportunity to cease his late-night,
secluded sojourns into the showers after the 1998 incident where Gricar
didn't press any charges. ("I wish I was dead") Because he wasn't charged, he was emboldened to continue with this disturbing fetish.

My thought process from the start.

This post was edited on 4/1 12:31 PM by mn78psu83
 
Re: well done...

Originally posted by aferrelli:

Originally posted by LaJolla Lion:
Sorry, but I really don't care if that POS gets a fair shake. I'm quite certain it's a sick man who indeed did molest children and I have zero sympathy there. Let him rot and die in there. Blaming or questioning a witness is pretty much a standard when it comes to defense attorney's so to me this is not some new revelation. What MM said, saw, or reacted certainly can be questioned, but you need a bigger smoking gun that that to tell me JS isn't a serial pedophile.
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Why are you so closed minded? Don't you believe that some people in jail are innocent of what they have been accused of?

Are you so naive to think that each and every one of the millions in jail today in the USA are all guilty? Please open your eyes to this particular case; only a POS, as you would say, would do otherwise.
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Because he was convicted on over 40 counts. There are a number of victims that were not even included in the trial. Chances are nil that he is an innocent man. NIL.
 
How much did Jerry use a computer? If it was hardly at all,


then no surprise.
 
Re: well, OBL confessed*


Originally posted by LaJolla Lion:
True. Jerry is still in denial.
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LaJolla Lion, why would intelligent people say that the evidence (or lack of in this case) warrants a second look at this case? One could say that you are in denial of being sensible. Everything about this case has stank from day 1. It's too bad you haven't been following it.
 
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